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Re: 2011-2012 Season - Pete Nice - 12-06-2011
So who goes West when Phoenix moves to Quebec? Buffalo and Pittsburgh would be the furthest west teams. NO WAY either of those teams would want to move. The NHL would not want to take the Pens away from the Caps and Flyers. So Buffalo would have to move to Detroits division?
Re: 2011-2012 Season - Chip - 12-06-2011
Pete Nice Wrote:There is no way someone could win a division now and have less points than the 8 seed, no way at all. I like the current playoff system, the best teams should be in the playoffs. In fact, I have always said the change they should make is seeding by points not division winners. 1-8 based on points, division winner or not. THAT truly rewards you for doing good. THAT is how it should be. I am telling you, there are going to be teams in the Pens/Flyers division every year with more points than at least one or two teams that make the playoffs. My money is on the Flyers and Rangers being one of them within the first few years.
Teams lose out on home ice because a team with fewer points wins a division, I've always hated that too.
I see your point, but, if you want to do what you're saying, you'd have to set up the playoffs 1-16 across the entire NHL. Because what you're saying will happen, already has, and I'm pretty sure it happens close every year now.
Detroit hasn't had a big rival since the Colorado days. It seems like there is one growing with Chicago, but they need to meet in the playoffs, and I think this system will let that happen a lot more.
Re: 2011-2012 Season - Chip - 12-06-2011
Pete Nice Wrote:So who goes West when Phoenix moves to Quebec? Buffalo and Pittsburgh would be the furthest west teams. NO WAY either of those teams would want to move. The NHL would not want to take the Pens away from the Caps and Flyers. So Buffalo would have to move to Detroits division?
Yeah, they'd have to do something dumb like move Buffalo into the Division with Detroit, then move St. Louis to replace Phoenix.
I am surprised they did this without knowing what's going to happen in Phoenix.
Re: 2011-2012 Season - NussieT - 12-06-2011
Will Phoenix actually move!?
Re: 2011-2012 Season - Chip - 12-06-2011
NussieT Wrote:Will Phoenix actually move!?
The NHL owns them right now, and is trying to, but can't, find someone to buy them and keep them in Phoenix.
The NHL is losing a lot of money (I think $20 million a year?), and they won't keep that up for ever.
Re: 2011-2012 Season - Brampton - 12-06-2011
Pete Nice Wrote:So who goes West when Phoenix moves to Quebec? Buffalo and Pittsburgh would be the furthest west teams. NO WAY either of those teams would want to move. The NHL would not want to take the Pens away from the Caps and Flyers. So Buffalo would have to move to Detroits division?well.....I figure Toronto would be the one that moves....since they were in the Campbell conference before.
this playoff system is the old one, before Betmann took over. I like it.
Re: 2011-2012 Season - LeNeve - 12-06-2011
Chip Wrote:NussieT Wrote:Will Phoenix actually move!?
The NHL owns them right now, and is trying to, but can't, find someone to buy them and keep them in Phoenix.
The NHL is losing a lot of money (I think $20 million a year?), and they won't keep that up for ever.
Wichita needs an NHL team.
Re: 2011-2012 Season - Brampton - 12-06-2011
LeNeve Wrote:does Kansas have a city with more than 500k people?Chip Wrote:NussieT Wrote:Will Phoenix actually move!?
The NHL owns them right now, and is trying to, but can't, find someone to buy them and keep them in Phoenix.
The NHL is losing a lot of money (I think $20 million a year?), and they won't keep that up for ever.
Wichita needs an NHL team.
Re: 2011-2012 Season - Chip - 12-06-2011
Brampton Wrote:LeNeve Wrote:does Kansas have a city with more than 500k people?Chip Wrote:NussieT Wrote:Will Phoenix actually move!?
The NHL owns them right now, and is trying to, but can't, find someone to buy them and keep them in Phoenix.
The NHL is losing a lot of money (I think $20 million a year?), and they won't keep that up for ever.
Wichita needs an NHL team.
I'm going to Wichita
I'm gonna fight 'em all...
If Wichita gets a team, it would have to be named 7 Nation Army, right?
Or Kansas City has a nice new arena, right?
Haha.
I never knew why Kansas City wasn't in Kansas.
But then again, because both were named Kansas, I never thought much of it.
So tonight, my first game bowling, I had a 225, and was 5 pins short of winning $20.
My thrid game, was a 214 and I was 9 pins short of winning $50. WTF?
I bowled a 651 with nothing to show for it but this buzz.
So now I'm home, having another beer.
Re: 2011-2012 Season - Pete Nice - 12-07-2011
Chip Wrote:Pete Nice Wrote:There is no way someone could win a division now and have less points than the 8 seed, no way at all. I like the current playoff system, the best teams should be in the playoffs. In fact, I have always said the change they should make is seeding by points not division winners. 1-8 based on points, division winner or not. THAT truly rewards you for doing good. THAT is how it should be. I am telling you, there are going to be teams in the Pens/Flyers division every year with more points than at least one or two teams that make the playoffs. My money is on the Flyers and Rangers being one of them within the first few years.
Teams lose out on home ice because a team with fewer points wins a division, I've always hated that too.
I see your point, but, if you want to do what you're saying, you'd have to set up the playoffs 1-16 across the entire NHL. Because what you're saying will happen, already has, and I'm pretty sure it happens close every year now.
Detroit hasn't had a big rival since the Colorado days. It seems like there is one growing with Chicago, but they need to meet in the playoffs, and I think this system will let that happen a lot more.
I do not like the idea of two eastern teams playing for the cup, it should be East v West, split it that way. There is nothing wrong with that. Although it would be uber sweet watching the Pens beat the Flyers in a cup final. Still, East v West.
Re: 2011-2012 Season - LeNeve - 12-07-2011
Brampton Wrote:LeNeve Wrote:does Kansas have a city with more than 500k people?Chip Wrote:NussieT Wrote:Will Phoenix actually move!?
The NHL owns them right now, and is trying to, but can't, find someone to buy them and keep them in Phoenix.
The NHL is losing a lot of money (I think $20 million a year?), and they won't keep that up for ever.
Wichita needs an NHL team.
no. last I knew Wichita was barely pushing 400k. and KC is mostly in missouri
Re: 2011-2012 Season - Chip - 12-07-2011
:roflmao:
Poor Tampa and Florida.
![[Image: NHL-realignment-map_2011-12-03-Final.png]](http://mit.zenfs.com/206/2011/12/NHL-realignment-map_2011-12-03-Final.png)
Re: 2011-2012 Season - Pete Nice - 12-07-2011
Chip Wrote::roflmao:
Poor Tampa and Florida.
There shouldn't be hockey teams in Florida or Arizona anyway. Move Phoenix to Saskatoon, Miami to Hartford and Tampa to Quebec. Then you don't even need to change anyone in divisions.
Re: 2011-2012 Season - Beckster - 12-07-2011
Who drew up that map? You can tell what the leftovers are... :roflmao:
Re: 2011-2012 Season - Chip - 12-07-2011
beckster aka Tatertits Wrote:Who drew up that map? You can tell what the leftovers are... :roflmao:
Yeah, someone color coded the new divisions to point out how much they screwed the Florida teams.